Mini Clueless WindokuX

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Mini Clueless WindokuX
I made a Mini Clueless Windoku X. The diagonals were a surprise for myself... I didn't discover them until I was making the clue set! But I was able to remove a lot of the clues once I figured it out.
Please, keep giving me suggestions on how to get the 9x9 Clueless Windoku put together. Just because there are 9 additional constraints! If it can be done with disjoint groups, I bet it can be done with the Windoku...
If you need the solution, it's in my gallery at my blog:
http://images.blogstream.com/i/userImag ... 8_5148.png
Enjoy!
Amy Grace
Please, keep giving me suggestions on how to get the 9x9 Clueless Windoku put together. Just because there are 9 additional constraints! If it can be done with disjoint groups, I bet it can be done with the Windoku...
If you need the solution, it's in my gallery at my blog:
http://images.blogstream.com/i/userImag ... 8_5148.png
Enjoy!
Amy Grace
With so many constraints for only 4 digits, this minicluelesswindokux only causes problems remembering all these different constraints.
I wonder if it's possible to create one with 5 or even 4 clues...
Ruud
I wonder if it's possible to create one with 5 or even 4 clues...
Ruud
“If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't.”  Emerson M Pugh
A 5 clue example
I don't know is a 4clue is possible. Then you'd need one clue in each seperate puzzle because without clues a seperate puzzle is never unique.
I don't think there is enough interaction between the clues to make it possible.
greetings
Para
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1 . . .. . . .
. . . .. . . .
. . . .. . . .
. . . .. 2 . .

. . 1 .. . . .
. . . .. . . .
. . . .. . . 1
. . . .. . . 3
I don't think there is enough interaction between the clues to make it possible.
greetings
Para
Here is a fullsize Clueless WindX.
Each of the 13 constituent puzzles is a SudokuX. Of these, 4 are placed in a familiar Windoku pattern and completely clueless.
This puzzle is very tough, but it helps when you discover the twin nonets and the 36 hidden groups. Oops, now I said it
happy puzzling!
Ruud
PS, here are the strings:
Each of the 13 constituent puzzles is a SudokuX. Of these, 4 are placed in a familiar Windoku pattern and completely clueless.
This puzzle is very tough, but it helps when you discover the twin nonets and the 36 hidden groups. Oops, now I said it
happy puzzling!
Ruud
PS, here are the strings:
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000000410007300060010006900702000000400000000000000000000000000030000000000000000
070004000003007009005000700000003000000005000000000000000000000000000000000000000
902000000008000000000000010000000000000000000000000400000000050000000600000000034
007000000006000000030000000680001000000060091090002608000000000000000000000000000
000001000000002000000000000080109002509304807400507030000000000000600000000200000
000000000000000000000000000207400080680050000000200074000000060000000900000000500
830000000006000000050000000005000000000000000000000000040000000000000200000000306
000000000000000000000000000000000000000600000000400000001000400200900600000700020
000000000000000040000000000000000000000000001000000805006300080020009400093000000
“If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't.”  Emerson M Pugh
Like in windoku, you can extrapolate additional constraints which apply to the whole puzzle.
Each row contains 3 groups (19). There are 18 rows which account for 2 groups (19), so the remaining cells must also form a group (19).
Same principle can be applied to the columns and the 2 main diagonals of the puzzle. So there are 38 hidden groups (not 36 as I claimed).
The total number of constraints is:
729 cells
81 + 36 + 18 = 135 rows
81 + 36 + 18 = 135 columns
81 boxes
18 + 8 + 2 = 28 diagonals
Ruud
Each row contains 3 groups (19). There are 18 rows which account for 2 groups (19), so the remaining cells must also form a group (19).
Same principle can be applied to the columns and the 2 main diagonals of the puzzle. So there are 38 hidden groups (not 36 as I claimed).
The total number of constraints is:
729 cells
81 + 36 + 18 = 135 rows
81 + 36 + 18 = 135 columns
81 boxes
18 + 8 + 2 = 28 diagonals
Ruud

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Has anyone solved the clueless windex puzzle?
Wow, I've made a quite few attempts and have hit places where I'm stuck or errors every time. I've only used pencil and paper so far.
How do other people print? I hit print screen, copied into Paint Shop Pro, cropped the background from my computer, printed. Would take advice on printing.
I guess I'll paste those strings into SudoCue one at a time (I answered my own question on that, finally). I'll call them Windex 1 through Windex 9, and then I'll make Windex A, B, C and D for the "pane" puzzles too.
I loved the way the fulllength diagonals complete themselves, btw! A very complicated but interesting way they overlap and solve various sections!
Is the solution posted somewhere?
Thanks,
Princess Amy
Wow, I've made a quite few attempts and have hit places where I'm stuck or errors every time. I've only used pencil and paper so far.
How do other people print? I hit print screen, copied into Paint Shop Pro, cropped the background from my computer, printed. Would take advice on printing.
I guess I'll paste those strings into SudoCue one at a time (I answered my own question on that, finally). I'll call them Windex 1 through Windex 9, and then I'll make Windex A, B, C and D for the "pane" puzzles too.
I loved the way the fulllength diagonals complete themselves, btw! A very complicated but interesting way they overlap and solve various sections!
Is the solution posted somewhere?
Thanks,
Princess Amy
The "Clueless" Princess loves getting Flowers every Monday!
I got pretty far at one point using 9 instances of SudoCue, but at one point I panicked, having forgotten about the X's in the window puzzles.
I do have this puzzle printed out, using a full sheet of paper for each puzzle.
This much I know: The central puzzle cracks rather quickly. I need to work up the time, space, and motivation before picking it back up again. It is an interesting piece of work, though.
I do have this puzzle printed out, using a full sheet of paper for each puzzle.
This much I know: The central puzzle cracks rather quickly. I need to work up the time, space, and motivation before picking it back up again. It is an interesting piece of work, though.
Screwed up on paper, tried again with SudoCue, and FINALLY got it. Fun puzzle!
Here's the streakfree solution:
396258417247319865518476923752981634481623579963547281624735198139864752875192346
876294351143587269925316784752643198418925637639871542264738915391452876587169423
932741568178536942465982713324675891519428376786193425843267159291354687657819234
857219463416378925239456817683591742724863591591742638175924386342685179968137254
875931264146752389923846751387169542569324817412587936751498623234675198698213475
978531426165742893432986751217493685684157239359268174591874362743625918826319547
831476592796512843254398761385269417429751638617843925543627189968135274172984356
813547269967321584542896731385172946429658317176439852751263498238914675694785123
135748269672931548984562317318257694259486731467193825746315982821679453593824176
Here's the streakfree solution:
396258417247319865518476923752981634481623579963547281624735198139864752875192346
876294351143587269925316784752643198418925637639871542264738915391452876587169423
932741568178536942465982713324675891519428376786193425843267159291354687657819234
857219463416378925239456817683591742724863591591742638175924386342685179968137254
875931264146752389923846751387169542569324817412587936751498623234675198698213475
978531426165742893432986751217493685684157239359268174591874362743625918826319547
831476592796512843254398761385269417429751638617843925543627189968135274172984356
813547269967321584542896731385172946429658317176439852751263498238914675694785123
135748269672931548984562317318257694259486731467193825746315982821679453593824176