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Princess Amy
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 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Mini Clueless Windoku-X I made a Mini Clueless Windoku X. The diagonals were a surprise for myself... I didn't discover them until I was making the clue set! But I was able to remove a lot of the clues once I figured it out. Please, keep giving me suggestions on how to get the 9x9 Clueless Windoku put together. Just because there are 9 additional constraints! If it can be done with disjoint groups, I bet it can be done with the Windoku... If you need the solution, it's in my gallery at my blog: http://images.blogstream.com/i/userImages/81/81468_5148.png Enjoy! Amy Grace
Ruud
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 Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: With so many constraints for only 4 digits, this mini-clueless-windoku-x only causes problems remembering all these different constraints. I wonder if it's possible to create one with 5 or even 4 clues... Ruud_________________“If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't.” - Emerson M Pugh
Para
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Location: The Netherlands

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject:

A 5 clue example

 Code: 1   .   .   .|.   .   .   . .   .   .   .|.   .   .   . .   .   .   .|.   .   .   . .   .   .   .|.   2   .   . --------------------------- .   .   1   .|.   .   .   . .   .   .   .|.   .   .   . .   .   .   .|.   .   .   1 .   .   .   .|.   .   .   3

I don't know is a 4-clue is possible. Then you'd need one clue in each seperate puzzle because without clues a seperate puzzle is never unique.
I don't think there is enough interaction between the clues to make it possible.

greetings

Para
JLynn
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Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Anyone else having a hard time resisting the temptation to call a Windoku-X puzzle a Wind-X puzzle?
Ruud
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject:

Here is a fullsize Clueless Wind-X.

Each of the 13 constituent puzzles is a Sudoku-X. Of these, 4 are placed in a familiar Windoku pattern and completely clueless.

This puzzle is very tough, but it helps when you discover the twin nonets and the 36 hidden groups. Oops, now I said it

happy puzzling!
Ruud

PS, here are the strings:

 Code: 000000410007300060010006900702000000400000000000000000000000000030000000000000000 070004000003007009005000700000003000000005000000000000000000000000000000000000000 902000000008000000000000010000000000000000000000000400000000050000000600000000034 007000000006000000030000000680001000000060091090002608000000000000000000000000000 000001000000002000000000000080109002509304807400507030000000000000600000000200000 000000000000000000000000000207400080680050000000200074000000060000000900000000500 830000000006000000050000000005000000000000000000000000040000000000000200000000306 000000000000000000000000000000000000000600000000400000001000400200900600000700020 000000000000000040000000000000000000000000001000000805006300080020009400093000000

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JLynn
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 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: I'm putting together the clueless grid possibility matrices. If so desired I'll post them here. Also: Ruud, Aside from the four "windows", do any of the windoku constraints apply to the whole puzzle?
Ruud
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 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Like in windoku, you can extrapolate additional constraints which apply to the whole puzzle. Each row contains 3 groups (1-9). There are 18 rows which account for 2 groups (1-9), so the remaining cells must also form a group (1-9). Same principle can be applied to the columns and the 2 main diagonals of the puzzle. So there are 38 hidden groups (not 36 as I claimed). The total number of constraints is: 729 cells 81 + 36 + 18 = 135 rows 81 + 36 + 18 = 135 columns 81 boxes 18 + 8 + 2 = 28 diagonals Ruud
Princess Amy
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Location: USA

 Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: What program would you post the strings of numbers into? Thanks, Amy_________________The "Clueless" Princess loves getting Flowers every Monday!
Princess Amy
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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Has anyone solved the clueless windex puzzle? Wow, I've made a quite few attempts and have hit places where I'm stuck or errors every time. I've only used pencil and paper so far. How do other people print? I hit print screen, copied into Paint Shop Pro, cropped the background from my computer, printed. Would take advice on printing. I guess I'll paste those strings into SudoCue one at a time (I answered my own question on that, finally). I'll call them Windex 1 through Windex 9, and then I'll make Windex A, B, C and D for the "pane" puzzles too. I loved the way the full-length diagonals complete themselves, btw! A very complicated but interesting way they overlap and solve various sections! Is the solution posted somewhere? Thanks, Princess Amy _________________The "Clueless" Princess loves getting Flowers every Monday!
JLynn
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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: I got pretty far at one point using 9 instances of SudoCue, but at one point I panicked, having forgotten about the X's in the window puzzles. I do have this puzzle printed out, using a full sheet of paper for each puzzle. This much I know: The central puzzle cracks rather quickly. I need to work up the time, space, and motivation before picking it back up again. It is an interesting piece of work, though.
JLynn
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Screwed up on paper, tried again with SudoCue, and FINALLY got it. Fun puzzle! Here's the streak-free solution: 396258417247319865518476923752981634481623579963547281624735198139864752875192346 876294351143587269925316784752643198418925637639871542264738915391452876587169423 932741568178536942465982713324675891519428376786193425843267159291354687657819234 857219463416378925239456817683591742724863591591742638175924386342685179968137254 875931264146752389923846751387169542569324817412587936751498623234675198698213475 978531426165742893432986751217493685684157239359268174591874362743625918826319547 831476592796512843254398761385269417429751638617843925543627189968135274172984356 813547269967321584542896731385172946429658317176439852751263498238914675694785123 135748269672931548984562317318257694259486731467193825746315982821679453593824176
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