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Jean-Christophe
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: My first Clueless Reply with quote

Started to implement Clueless in JSudoku. Here are some explosion generated:

Explosion #1 Should be easy:
Code:
3.....6.9...8....4.....5..1.2..4.7.6...5.8.....1.2.8..1..7.2............8574.....
.2...78.......5....5.8....66.51.9.....1......2...7.5.....46...84.......7..8..2.4.
157..3......5..........61........4.7...8......49.1..6.5..2....9...6....8..8.....4
...4.9.8.9.6.........67...2..92..7.......41..71.3....86....7...........1..1...65.
.....57.2...9........71...9.25..6..3..3...6..4..1..27.9...34........1...1.28.....
.43...5..6...........3....27....8.54..87.......4..68..5...92.........7.5.3.8.5...
6.....2..7....6...3....1..6.3..2.85......4...9.7........91..........9......5..962
.8.1..9..6.......13...58.....1.8...3......2.....5.24.97....1.4....9.......54...9.
.....2564............5.1..9..1.5.2.....1.9...6.5.2..9.3..7.....7....3...2.8.....3


Explosion #2 A bit harder, but quite easy
Code:
.9..8.2..........5...3....1..4.3..7...81..6..6.9.7.....8....7....3.........8....6
....8......4...5...78...92....8.4............2..6.1..5............7.3...8.15.94.3
..1.7..2.6........3....1....6..2.8....5..94......8.2.9..7....1.......7..9....5...
6.......2......3....2..8..1......9.4.....7..6.........8.1..26.7..7......4..8.9...
9..1.7..2...........82.53....1...8..............4.3.....3.1.7..4..8.6..5.8.....6.
7.......8..5......1..2..5..8.3......5..1..............2.46..1.5......4.....7.1..3
6.19...4......2..3..4...9....3..8......7..5......4..2....2.1............8...5.6..
...4.1...8..5.7..4...2.6...5.......3.........9.8...7.5.8.....6...49.82....9.1.4..
.8...54.79..6.......5...1.....4..7....4..3....6..1.......3.1..............8.7...2


Explosion #3 should be yet harder
Code:
...14.8.......3..2.......9.4...96...6..4......1.8..2..9....2..5..7.......8....9..
.85.791...........9....4.....37...9.........7..4.....1...4........6.2..4..2......
6.2..3.744..7..9.3..............2...........1.6..4.7.......7.5.8.........27.69..8
..6......3........9..6.7..5...2..94.1........7.5....1.2...........8.........69.8.
.27....9.8....4...4...1.2.6....7...5..24......7...9.1...4...1..6....7.....36.....
1....374...68......93....6...9.7...6......1....15.6.8......2...........8..24..5..
25.....4......5..27.......6.4............3..86..2..7.1.1...8...4.....8..82..6...9
1..........4.......275.3..8.1...4..5...7.....4....56..5...9...33.1..2......3...8.
....1...8............3.94....5.9.71.3..7..2....9....4...123.......1.4...5........


I'm not really familiar with Clueless, so I have no idea if you find these easy or not. IMHO, they should be easy.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, then I can stop my work on this.

Explosion #1 has naked and hidden singles ONLY. Extremely easy!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explosion #2 is a nice puzzle with an X-Wing. Took me 15 minutes to solve. I would rate it a Ruud Tough.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jean-Christophe wrote:
Started to implement Clueless in JSudoku.

Great to hear that, J-C!

BÝrge wrote:
Great, then I can stop my work on this.

BÝrge, why stop now, after all the great work you've done? As you may have seen, there are several members on the Assassin forum who post puzzles, which is great. Much better than if the whole weight of responsibility rests on just one person's shoulders...

What I particularly like about your posts is the insight you're giving us into the creation of these beasts, and how you are involving the rest of the "team". Although I haven't done a Clueless yet, I'm very interested in what's going on, and enjoy reading your posts very much.

Maybe I've misread your comment, and you meant stopping work on your planned upcoming CE, rather than stopping your attempts to create them in general? I hope so!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explosion #3 is MUCH, MUCH harder than a Ruud "Very Hard".
After consulting SudoCue this looks like another Clueless Explosion Nightmare. Twisted Evil

EDIT:
I got it solved. Now my braincells beg for rest, so I'll goto bed. Enough nightmares for one day.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explosion #4 : Yet harder ? Twisted Evil
Code:
..38..2.5.............1.3.6.9..58.3.2.1.......5..6.......6..5.....5.....8...71..4
14.........3...7....9.........263..1.....96...1.7.........5.........84....86.2...
...6..8..9............85..6...3..2.....5..1....1.78..912.9.......9......3.7....8.
2.....7.......6..1..837.5...2......59.........1.2.59..4....8.1...7...........4...
...6...2.........45.2......6...7.......3.6....8..5...612....6..9.52......64..91..
.....5.............6..8..4.57..32.....4..7...1..5.9...8.....95....1....6........2
9.1.........7.....37.2..4...3.6.4.....4...........325.....1...8.....81........5.2
.....1.5...7.........7..8.26.81...3.......6.....5..9...5....4.....8.3.....6.4...7
7.....2.1.....4.....8...9.45....2...9..1.87...64.....2....6...7...5.7...4...1....
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heeelllp ... this makes already 6 new clueless'es for this week... I will have to take a week off Smile

thanks to all for their good work!! I'll give it a try.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow number #4 is a real corker JC, I can confirm it is logically solvable, though I have yet to attempt it unaided. #3 was scary enough.

Better make that 2 weeks off FirstOfNine. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mhparker wrote:
BÝrge wrote:
Great, then I can stop my work on this.

BÝrge, why stop now, after all the great work you've done? As you may have seen, there are several members on the Assassin forum who post puzzles, which is great. Much better than if the whole weight of responsibility rests on just one person's shoulders...

What I particularly like about your posts is the insight you're giving us into the creation of these beasts, and how you are involving the rest of the "team". Although I haven't done a Clueless yet, I'm very interested in what's going on, and enjoy reading your posts very much.

Maybe I've misread your comment, and you meant stopping work on your planned upcoming CE, rather than stopping your attempts to create them in general? I hope so!

What I had in mind was to completely stop my attempts to create them in general, but your encouragement kept me going. Very Happy

My method for generating a Clueless Explosion (CE) is fairly manual. The generation itself only requires SadMan and SudoCue. Instead of SadMan, SumoCue can probably be used, but I have not looked into that yet. For evaluating the result I use SudokuSolver. Generating a CE takes approx 20 minutes. Since it is so simple I will write a small guide on how to do it and post is here in this thread.

When I have published my guide and people see how simple it is, I hope that many others will feel inclined to make CE puzzles post them here.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BÝrge wrote:
What I had in mind was to completely stop my attempts to create them in general, but your encouragement kept me going. Very Happy

You're welcome, BÝrge! I'm sure I'm not the only one around here that is very happy that you decided to continue. Very Happy

It's interesting to note that in the last couple of weeks, there have been more posts to this forum than in the whole history of the forum before that! Shocked With all this current interest, I am optimistic that JSudoku will support Clueless puzzles soon, and am also confident that Richard will be more than willing to consider making further enhancements to SudokuSolver for this format.

This, together with the excellent work you're putting in (and which others will hopefully help continue), will ensure that those visiting this forum will have no shortage of puzzles to get their teeth into! Mr. Green

BÝrge wrote:
My method for generating a Clueless Explosion (CE) is fairly manual...

...but, until such time that the automated solvers have built-in support for generation of high-quality CEs, absolutely invaluable.

BÝrge wrote:
When I have published my guide and people see how simple it is, I hope that many others will feel inclined to make CE puzzles post them here.

That's a great goal. I'm quite busy at the moment, but will certainly be looking to see if I can do anything to help.

Keep up the great work, BÝrge salut. But please make sure you pace yourself!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm finally getting a chance to work through the Explosion of new Explosions that BÝrge and Jean-Christophe have posted. Many thanks to both of you for sharing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SudokuSolver cannot solve number #4 Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BÝrge wrote:
SudokuSolver cannot solve number #4 Exclamation


Well, it can be solved by logic... but not by my poor brain Twisted Evil

JSudoku wrote:
The grid is solved!
Techniques used:
354 Naked Singles
190 Hidden Singles
22 Naked Pairs
7 Hidden Pairs
3 Naked Triplets
80 Intersections
1 Swordfish
1 Generalized X-Wing
9 Turbot Fishes
8 Grouped X-Wing
11 Grouped Turbot Fishes
4 XY-Wings
2 XYZ-Wings
3 Y-Wings
2 Generalized Swordfish (222)
2 Turbot Chains with 5 links
26 XY-Chains up to 3 links
1 Grouped Swordfish (222)
5 Grouped Turbot Chains with 5 links
4 Grouped XY-Chains up to 3 links
1 Generalized Jellyfish (2222)
6 XY-Chains
5 Grouped XY-Chains


Solution
Code:
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147596238263841759859327146974263581385419627612785394721954863596138472438672915
534629871986731425712485396895314267273596148641278539128947653469853712357162984
243851769759426381168379524826947135975163842314285976492538617537612498681794253
497613528816592734532847961643978215751326489289154376128435697975261843364789152
781495623349261578265783149578632491694817235123549867812376954957124386436958712
941536827582749613376281495135624789294875361768193254653412978427958136819367542
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749856231123974568658321974571632849932148756864795312385469127216587493497213685
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for causing confusion. My post was ment as a note to Richard. The JSudoku output is however very interesting. Please also produce one for the Clueless Easter Monster!
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