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Still a very enjoyable puzzle... I think.
Ruud
Generally you open with the message that your V2 was too difficult to put one the site. We never complainRuud wrote:Being accused several times of posting V2's which are way too difficult
Ruud wrote:The Easter Bunnycame by and hid the solutions to these variations of Assassin 45.
If you can help me recover these, I would be both pleased and impressed.
Ruud wrote:Here is a V2 that will take a team effort to crack. All killer solvers on my PC (including the latest JSudoku) give up and need to use backtracking to solve this one.
Just messing around.Ruud wrote:Even though Assassin 39 is not yet available, I want to post these 2 killers using the same cage pattern.
They are ... erm ... too difficult?
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| 1234 | 2456 5679 13 | 2567 | 6789 23479 34679 | 36789 |
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| 348 34568 | 79 134 | 2567 | 5679 1234 | 13456 3679 |
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| 1234 1234 579 | 134 | 678 | 6789 | 1237 567 36789 |
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| 6 | 23 23 | 57 1 57 | 89 89 | 4 |
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| 17 17 | 8 9 | 4 | 2 5 | 36 36 |
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| 5 | 9 4 | 68 3 68 | 17 17 | 2 |
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| 238 238 23 | 56 | 56 | 1 | 479 479 79 |
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| 479 47 | 1 78 | 789 | 3 6 | 2 5 |
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| 79 | 56 56 2 | 79 | 4 38 38 | 1 |
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| 1234 | 2456 5679 13 | 2567 | 6789 23479 34679 | 36789 |
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| 8 3456 | 79 134 | 2567 | 5679 1234 | 13456 3679 |
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| 1234 1234 579 | 134 | 678 | 6789 | 1237 567 36789 |
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| 6 | 23 23 | 57 1 57 | 89 89 | 4 |
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| 17 17 | 8 9 | 4 | 2 5 | 36 36 |
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| 5 | 9 4 | 68 3 68 | 17 17 | 2 |
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| 23 8 23 | 56 | 56 | 1 | 479 479 79 |
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| 479 47 | 1 78 | 789 | 3 6 | 2 5 |
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| 79 | 56 56 2 | 79 | 4 38 38 | 1 |
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| 1234 | 2456 5679 13 | 2567 | 6789 23479 34679 | 36789 |
| '-------.---------------: :---------------.-------' |
| 8 3456 | 79 134 | 2567 | 5679 1234 | 13456 3679 |
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| 1234 1234 579 | 134 | 678 | 6789 | 1237 567 36789 |
| .---------------+-------'-------'-------+---------------. |
| 6 | 23 23 | 57 1 57 | 89 89 | 4 |
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| 17 17 | 8 9 | 4 | 2 5 | 36 36 |
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| 5 | 9 4 | 68 3 68 | 17 17 | 2 |
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| 23 8 23 | 56 | 56 | 1 | 479 479 79 |
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| 49 47 | 1 78 | 89 | 3 6 | 2 5 |
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| 79 | 56 56 2 | 79 | 4 38 38 | 1 |
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| 1 | 24 57 3 | 2567 | 6789 2479 4679 | 6789 |
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| 8 6 | 9 14 | 257 | 57 1234 | 1345 37 |
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| 234 234 57 | 14 | 678 | 6789 | 1237 567 36789 |
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| 6 | 23 23 | 57 1 57 | 89 89 | 4 |
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| 7 17 | 8 9 | 4 | 2 5 | 36 36 |
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| 5 | 9 4 | 68 3 68 | 17 17 | 2 |
| '---------------+-------.-------.-------+---------------' |
| 23 8 23 | 56 | 56 | 1 | 479 479 79 |
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| 49 47 | 1 78 | 89 | 3 6 | 2 5 |
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| 79 | 5 6 2 | 79 | 4 38 38 | 1 |
'-------'-----------------------'-------'-----------------------'-------'The tag solution then went forward without using that UR move and successfully solved the puzzle.Andrew wrote:I suppose it's a matter of personal preference whether one uses a UR step. It's something I've never used myself. I don't doubt that Ruud has checked that this puzzle only has one solution. Therefore I have made that move in my diagram to be consistent with the thread. However it would be nice if subsequent moves can be used to show that one can logicially reach the solution without using a UR move.
I meant the Swordfish-like deadly pattern, of course, not to be confused with the Swordfish solving technique. In the case of the deadly pattern, three identical pairs of digits are distributed over distributed across three rows, three columns, three boxes and three cages, such that each row, column, box and cage contains 2 cells belonging to the pattern. For an example, see the leftmost image at the very bottom of Ruud's Sudoku Solving Guide.Swordfish has been used on this forum before. I used it in step 15 of my Assassin 41 walkthrough. At the time I didn't know it was called a Swordfish, I just called it a 3 row/column X-wing, but have since edited the walkthrough to give the proper name.
It seems to be a very safe assumption, though. Indeed, in my archive of several hundred Sudokus (jigsaws, killers and vanilla), there's not a single one that I've seen yet that didn't have a unique solution. I dare say that there are some that exist, but even in the unlikely case that I would come across one, I'd just get annoyed with the puzzle maker for designing what I would then see as an invalid Sudoku, rather than start questioning the usage of UR-based techniques in general.I'm not keen on UR because it depends of the assumption that a puzzle has a unique solution.